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How to update firmware from 1.1.1 r1 to 1.1.2.1

Fri Sep 05, 2008 22:17

by AustinTX (Posted Fri Sep 05, 2008 22:17)

myake wrote:

How to update firmware 1.1.1 r1 to 1.1.2.1
I have a router FON2201 with the old version firmware 1.1.1 r1

Myake, your router will automatically update if you leave it connected to the Internet for an hour or so. If it is not updating, then hold the reset button down for 30 seconds, and then leave it connected to the Internet for a couple more hours.

Fon seems to be hiding this firmware somewhere, so I don't know where you can download it.

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Serviços gratuitos FON pagos por nós ?!

Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:50

by PJMDS (Posted Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:50)

knowlift wrote:

Neste caso especifico estamos a falar de uma PSP, jogos online, etc... não me parece grave.

Já existem outros serviços bem mais "consumistas" que este, como o skype, gmail, yotube.

Para mim enquanto for possivel instalar add'ons como o FreewLan e FrancoFON, podem implementar isso tudo, nós cá deste lado decidimos o que queremos.

O que acho mal é dar cada vez mais serviços a quem não vai retribuir, em vez de
agradecerem a quem partilha estão a fazer o contrário, aproveitam-se cada vez mais da nossa boa vontade.

Em vez de fazerem campanhas parvas bem podiam melhorar os serviços que prestam á comunidade, por
exemplo introduzindo melhorias no portal de login e mais serviços ao estilo web 2.0 como por exemplo comentários
aos pontos de acesso FON para que as pessoas saibam se vão ter wireless quando chegarem ao local ou não.

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La Fonera 2.0 ?

Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:29

by AustinTX (Posted Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:29)

PJMDS wrote:

La Fonera 2.0 should support the IEEE 802.11 draft n because by the time it gets to the market most of us will be using IEEE 802.11n capable devices, maybe in 2010 or later opppps just forgot that by then FON would be just a bad memory for most of us.

In all fairness, there is much life left in 802.11b/g. They are both reasonably mature technology now, and also provide good range and speeds well in excess of most people's wired residential Internet connections.

802.11n would be a boon for sparsely populated areas where the hotspots must be spaced wider than b/g would demand. However, Fon decided to sell us "Fontenna" instead of an outdoor-mounting/PoE kit for the router, and meshing for the firmware. Fon's system is therefore unproven and unprotected for such an environment.

Perhaps Fon will make their "wimax" device outdoor-ready? Suprisingly, Martin describes this "future" device as actually *providing* wimax, instead of providing wifi, while only using wimax as the backhaul! I'm worried about the problems this proposal would have in any country where you must be licensed to provide wimax service.

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Tomizone 500MB Pass

Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:16

by AustinTX (Posted Fri Sep 05, 2008 18:16)

skynetbbs wrote:

Tomizone : seems to mainly support Australia/New Sealand if you check the maps

Er, I think "Sealand" is somewhere off the East coast of England. Anyway, I don't think it's fair to imply that Tomizone is not intended for other parts of the world. You're simply observing areas where word-of-mouth and local press has suceeded for them; i.e., Australia and New Zealand. Their authentication servers are available anywhere that there is an Internet connection, just like Fon in Spain.

skynetbbs wrote:

When asking Martin why FON is not active in the Southern Hemisphere and in peticular "Australia"...he says they can't be everywhere -> so their claim about "join FON use free wifi everywhere" or "free wifi arround the world" is a false statement...

How dissapointing. His response was the equivalent of a nervous shrug, and quickly leaving the room. It could be that there are unfavorable laws, that they were laughed out of town, or that he really has no idea. It could be that Martin isn't interested in taking the corporate jet there for a "working holiday", so he's never even made an effort. If he had taken your question seriously, which it appears he didn't, he should have listed some particular issues with that zone. We "grass-roots" Foneros could certainly come up with a plan to cultivate "the movement" anywere, even without the poor "fertilizer" Fon provides!

skynetbbs wrote:

FON never wanted to answer why they don't offer FON flashing possibilities or IPKG installations.
if your "soft-reset" button doesn't work you can not ask FON how to recover it...they will start an RMAprocedure...
the Community has a network/serial flash method for fonera/fonera+ ...someone even wrote a kind of "mp3" to flash their fonera (analog flashing?

When Fon sells one of their stripped-down rebranded, discontinued Acctons, they make a sure profit. When they simply give away firmware, they miss out on the merchandise sales, and also have to pay for that bandwidth. There is no guarantee of profit, and it's also harder to gauge churn at that step of the marketing process. I agree with other Foneros who believe that Fon probably makes most of it's profit from hardware sales now.

skynetbbs wrote:

Tomizone : is still at the paypal/visa and family&friends stadium... No premium sms payment possibilities (eg here in Benelux the VISA payments are really a "minimum" usage)

I wanted to mention something I discovered about Fon's SMS payment system: Even though Fon knows you're in a country where this is not available (you must first pick your country from a list), they will walk you through the whole application process to create a new Alien->Fonero account, and then tell you at the last possible moment "oh sorry, actually, SMS isn't available to you". But it's ok, because the population of Foneros, er, Aliens has thus increased!

skynetbbs wrote:

Tomizone: doesn't allow downloading of POI's and if you are for the "sharing" then you will notice there aren't many tomizones to access for free... People who are here to be "bill" and want to earn money from their hotspot mainly choose worldspot instead of fon/tomizone I believe?

My opinion is that anyone who is a Bill is more motivated to deploy a lot of hotspots, probably clustered in the same general area, and less likely to care about traveling the world enjoying his free roaming. Anyone who is a Linus is going to be too busy traveling the world to promote clusters of hotspots. This is like offering food to the well-fed, and hoping the thin folks will exercise more.

Remember Fon's "Fon-trepeneur" program? Where the more hotspots you have, the less Fon pays you per day-pass sale? This showed that Fon really wanted to discourage entpreneuship. If we'd all become small businessmen (instead of simply "unacknowledged franchisers"), then Fon would face our increased power to influence the business plan and get a fairer deal for ourselves.

Who really believes that anyone is joining Fon for the free roaming anymore?. Sure, it's a nice perk, and essentially an entitlement to Foneros who do supply the free Internet feed, installation, maintenance and advertisement. Fon mostly uses this feature as a pretense to claim that Fon is "about free wifi for everyone" and such.

Fon needs to make a better deal with individuals, entrepreneurs, small businesses, neighborhood groups and small communities. Fon needs to encourage growth of dense clusters of hotspots in useable places, instead of selling pretty boxes to widely-spaced mavericks. This is vital if Fon's secondary profit is to come entirely from actual sales of on-site wifi services. Naturally, if they take my advice of putting VPN servers aboard the routers, they'll be able to add value, through increased security, to the existing hotspots, as well as sell their VPN proxy security service to anyone in the world with an Internet connection.

Fon blithely tells us that "any publicity results in growth, which is always good for Foneros". Granted, good publicity and permanent growth can indeed be good for us, but we need to constructively follow a path that keeps us from wasting our resources and tarnishing our Movement's reputation.

Can anyone continue this thread with their own ideas of what could be done to encourage growth of hotspot clusters, and/or make more efficient use of those lonely, isolated Fon hotspots that rarely receive visitors? Let us assume that we can reconfigure Fon's firmware features, and business plan itself, instead of just gimmicky things tacked onto the plan Fon currently insists is set into stone.

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Access to FON Wifi network from iPod "t o u c h"

Fri Sep 05, 2008 17:20

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FON vs. Starbucks

Fri Sep 05, 2008 17:20

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Wer wirbt mich???

Fri Sep 05, 2008 15:21

by kyros (Posted Fri Sep 05, 2008 15:21)

Versuch's hier: http://www.fonboard.de/viewtopic.php?p=23922#p23922

LG, Kyros

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[My Fon] No more updates in travellog and visitorslist

Thu Sep 04, 2008 18:47

by skynetbbs (Posted Thu Sep 04, 2008 18:47)

Roetzen wrote:

skynetbbs wrote:

strange... mine are all updated uptill yesterday evening!

Did you have any real users? I only had "friends and family". Could that explain the discrepancy?

My neighbour is using his foneroid on mine, hence his Fon wifi is failing everytime...
I have also issues to find/connect to his fonero (located in his garage)

I also use someone elses fon account on my phone which connects weekly.

I hardly use family&friends on my fonera...

yesterday helped someone else to use his fon account on a fonera located in a bar @izegem

but I've got daily family&friends in the city library....

if you want logs I can post'm

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FON blog quality

Thu Sep 04, 2008 16:27

by AustinTX (Posted Thu Sep 04, 2008 16:27)

kyros wrote:

"I passed it on to the German team."

This phrase is becoming very familiar sounding, isn't it? It sounds both helpful, and yet, unpromising.

On one hand, I would agree that personal problems should not be an issue for the CEO to resolve, on the other hand, Martin is known to be a micromanager.

Furthermore, the problem in question has been a major issue with the whole English Fonero community, and remains a showstopper with the German Fonero community. Ultimately, a CEO needs to correct or remove managerial staff, who don't do their job to correct or remove subordinate staff.

But perhaps "Peter" IS the whole German staff now?

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Foneros Portugueses

Thu Sep 04, 2008 13:08

by pokker (Posted Thu Sep 04, 2008 13:08)

knowlift wrote:

Então é mais precisamente ... aqui
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-P ... iwloc=addr

Exactamente, mais um pouco e entravas-me pela janela da casa de banho adentro

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FON D-A-CH

Tue Sep 02, 2008 22:08

by olebole (Posted Tue Sep 02, 2008 22:08)

Naja, auch Axel wird ja in Bezug auf das deutsche Blog recht einsilbig.

Ansonsten hatte ich das gerade hier angesprochen, weil ich "lokal" deutlich machen wollte, dass da noch ein Punkt offen ist.

Florian hat auch wieder Post, vielleicht passiert morgen ja was.

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I got la fonera at a store but dont know how to become linus

Tue Sep 02, 2008 15:54

by AustinTX (Posted Tue Sep 02, 2008 15:54)

Glad to hear you got registered; welcome to Fon!

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kein internet mehr über w-lan

Tue Sep 02, 2008 08:51

by frank001 (Posted Tue Sep 02, 2008 08:51)

Hallo Graupe,
verglichen mit einem PKW-Problem schreibst du in etwa:
"Ich habe einen Opel. Die ganze Zeit über bin ich damit zur Arbeit gefahren. Seit heute morgen läuft er nicht mehr. Was muss ich tun?"

Wenn ich unspezifische Fehlerbeschreibung von Bekannten erhalte, dann gehe ich meist davon aus, dass derjenige halt eben nicht in der Lage ist, den Fehler genauer einzugrenzen. Dein Problem, dass du wahrscheinlich keine WLAN-Verbindung mehr hast, kann unzählig viele Gründe haben, die mir da sofort einfallen: Hardware kaputt, Treiber hat WPA/WPA2 Passwort vergessen, Router hängt, braucht einen Reboot, falsches Routing eingestellt, ....u.v.m
In diesem Falle empfehle ich demjenigen mit dem kaputten Auto und auch demjenigen mit dem nicht funktionierenden Internet das gleiche: Hole dir einen Freund mit Fachkenntnissen, der sich das vor Ort anschaut.

Alternativ musst du uns eine weitaus detailliertere Fehlerbeschreibung hier zur Verfügung stellen, sodass wir sinnvollere Antworten geben können als "Probier mal das oder das oder das..." - "Schaue mal nach dem oder dem oder dem..."

Gruß

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Algo esquisito

Tue Sep 02, 2008 08:10

by PJMDS (Posted Tue Sep 02, 2008 08:10)

miraportuga wrote:

Bem, eu o problema do youtube ja resolvi. Tinha um caramelo aqui ligado o dia todo só a mamar bandwidth a ver videos do youtube. Dá para dar a volta sim, mas para isso tem de pagar e de usar uma proxy para se ligar ao youtube, ja que a gama de ips do youtube esta toda bloqueada. É que nós é que damos a internet para os outros usarem, se tivessemos mais um bocadinho de controlo sobre o conteudo grátis e nao grátis nao era nada mau.

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No caso do youtube basta ter a largura de banda reduzida a um valor que lhe seja dificil ver os videos, qualquer pessoa se cansa á espera que o video carregue.

Não te queixes porque mais conteudos gratis estão a caminho, a FON já disponibilizou conteudos grátis para quem compra uma PSP no japão e parece que querem fazer o mesmo no resto do mundo, parte desses conteudos exigem boa largura de banda, eles estão a expandir-se ás nossas custas mas a paciência tem limites, entretanto vou tapando os buracos que abrem com o meu linksys e com os addons freewlan.

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verbindungsabbruch

Mon Sep 01, 2008 09:53

by graupe (Posted Mon Sep 01, 2008 09:53)

hab router la fonera von fon com und w-lan usb adapter w54u von tenda

die signalstärke nimmt rasch ab ,die verbindung zwischen beiden geräten bricht häüfig ab
länger als 30 minuten hält verbindung nicht meist bricht sie früher ab
könnt ihr hrlfen ?

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Need to upgrade WRT54GS v.4

Sun Aug 31, 2008 22:39

by blbdaily (Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 22:39)

Thanks, your suggestion worked, using username "admin" and the new password.

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PSPxFON

Sun Aug 31, 2008 09:10

by PJMDS (Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 09:10)

AustinTX wrote:

PJMDS wrote:

Martin forgot about those crazy homeless ideas, now he's dreaming about conquering the world but he fails again, he doesn't know enough about current technology to have good ideas.

Oh, yes I forgot the homeless.

Step 1: Homeless man scrapes together the money for a cellular modem, data plan, and La Fonera. Homeless man provides wifi for free.
Step 2: underpants
Step 3: Increased publicity for Fon generates growth, and homeless man enjoys the opportunity to provide free wifi to even more people!

It's always a win win situation for FON

Martin should hire one of these homeless:

wait wait he probably already hired one of them, the evidence is in our great personalized accessPortal

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Fonosfera: The FON Development Community

Sun Aug 31, 2008 07:19

by darthboy (Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 07:19)

i can't wait.

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newbie needs help, how to setup a La fonera behind a router

Sun Aug 31, 2008 01:33

by AustinTX (Posted Sun Aug 31, 2008 01:33)

angelochen960 wrote:

I bought it from a shop in HongKong, it does not ask for email address and the router looks new to me.

Ok, it you have not allready done so, create an account with Fon by providing your email address and a password you will use. You can do this directly at fon.com through the hotspot login page. This will be your Fonero account. Then try these resources (assuming you have the La Fonera 1.x (FON2100/FON2200).
https://www.fon.com/en/support/lafonera

angelochen960 wrote:

if I VNP to another place which is in another country to register this unit, can i use it with my own DSL after the registration?

No, I don't think this will help. Your VPN client will tunnel traffic to and from your PC, via the Fon router, but it won't encapsulate the traffic from the services running on the router itself. If your VPN redirector is router-based, I suppose it could encapsulate all traffic to and from your LAN, but you'll have to leave the VPN on at all times. Fon routers always use Fon's DNS server, RADIUS server, and a handful of other services at a noncontiguous handful of ports. Besides, we haven't demonstrated that your local ISP is interfering with the registration. I only mentioned it because it could be one explanation.

Again- what is the name of your Internet provider?

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status.fonera.be

Sat Aug 30, 2008 00:45

by BigTrucker (Posted Sat Aug 30, 2008 00:45)

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New Approach FON Routers: Software Based Routers

Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:02

by freechelmi (Posted Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:02)

ResearchHK wrote:

To get real smart.... how about have FON built into Routers (which allow users to flip a software switch and turn it on or off) so that FON is automatically distributed each time a Router is sold?

It's already the case !!

Le fonera is as software based as any router . You can make any openwrt capable router into a fon router , like you can do with a PC.

the other way arounf any FOn hardware can be flashed to use another software that can also be fon compatible.

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coming soon, mobile fonera

Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:27

by AustinTX (Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:27)

They're crossbreeding!

http://www.jbprojects.net/projects/wifirobot/

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Pirelli DP-L10 GSM/VOIP - can it work with FON router?

Thu Aug 28, 2008 17:37

by AustinTX (Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 17:37)

I'm not personally familiar with Rocket VOIP, but it appears to involve a hardware device which is best plugged directly into the modem, and ahead of any routers/switches/wifi AP. If you connect it behind such equipment, you typically need to place it in the DMZ and/or forward a mighty chunk of ports, and even then it still may not work well. The same is true of many "soft-phones" for similar reasons (though Skype has a method to get around this problem which works very well).

Try re-arranging your equipment and ask Rocket VOIP for their advice. If they advise you to reconfigure your router, get their instructions, and we can show you how that configuration is done on Fon routers. It really shouldn't be necessary though... and there are some kinds of network traffic which do not work in La Foneras.

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BT Openzone Access gone?

Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:11

by gjchester (Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:11)

David_FON wrote:

gjchester, I share your concern and we'll have a meeting with BT to discuss and clarify all that has been explosed on this thread: power saving on the BT hub, Option 1 customers and BT Openzone minutes allowance.
As soon as I get more news I will inform you.

Any update on this before I give up and reflash my router?

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More Bugs Customers Can Not Access Free Trial

Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:43

by David_FON (Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:43)

Thanks frank001, I will create the bug

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What I would do as Mr. David Varesavsky

Thu Aug 28, 2008 03:44

by AustinTX (Posted Thu Aug 28, 2008 03:44)

Ross wrote:

skynetbbs wrote:

I believe the "revolution" stopped as soon as you didn't have to flash a linksys but just buy a nice white locked fonera...

I think our own hardware was necessary to reach "the masses". Outside my immediate circle of friends most people I know wouldn't flash a router, they would prefer to buy one, often for less then a linksys etc. I don't think providing alternative firmware is a bad idea and I hope we return to it at some point in the future. For now we have to focus on expanding to the most possible people with the resources we have.

I strongly disagree. Remember, the La Fonera was a bait-and-switch deal. We were promised "dual-SSID firmware" for our Linksys, and then, 6 months later and several months overdue, were told "It is here: the new ROUTER you all wanted!" in classic 1984 mid-speech slipstreaming.

With the imposition of La Fonera came another sea change in the sort of experience Foneros had with Fon. Being locked down, it was now beyond the ability of most people to customize and examine how the system worked. Being the only router now that registers properly, it became a requirement for participation in the Fon Network. Foneros had their chips taken away from them, and Fon rapidly took back any slack Foneros had fought for.

The Fon Revolution shouldn't be about wifi for dummies, who can't flash a router. If Fon really wanted dummies (perhaps these people are less apt to figure out how poor the profitsharing terms and network security are?), they could have appealed to wifi manufacturers to include an opt-in Fon module in their firmwares, as well as a wider variety of firmware for more wifi devices. Fon could have provided "live" bootable CDs that turned an old spare PC into a Fon hotspot. Fon could have provided APIs and security standards so folks could "roll their own" authentic Fon hotspot. Not that there is no niche for "plug-n-play" "hotspot-in-a-box" solutions, but most Foneros are brighter than that.

skynetbbs wrote:

when I wardrive ...I notice every... EVERY... house allready has wifi...so I try to explain why they need an extra wifi router attached...

And this is true. There is allready excellent saturation of the world with wifi, it's just not Fon wifi. Fon's anemic router can't compete with equipment everyone allready has. So how do we turn all those existing hotspots into Fon hotspots (or provide Fon services through them)?

There are software solutions, like Whisher.com, which provide the tools for free, as well as for-fee wifi sharing, with WPA encryption intact. A multi-purpose software client like that could act as logon-helper with VPN client when interfacing with unencrypted Fon hotspots like we have today, as well as WPA keyholder for any brand of wifi AP which has been volunteered for the Fon Network. Virtually any brand and model of wifi AP could be added to the Fon Network, and VPN services could even be sold by Fon to protect customers at any non-Fon hotspot anywhere in the world.

Instead, Fon sold off the discontinued Linksys routers they bought at bargain prices, and moved on to reselling rebadged, discontinued Accton routers which they bought at bargain prices. I'm fairly sure this is their main source of profit now. Fon makes meaningless "partnerships" where Foneros provide roaming for free, and get nothing back.

Fon's words are consistently contradicted by their actions. Maybe the "dummies" they preferr to court are content with that.

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Fonera and PPPoA

Wed Aug 27, 2008 19:32

by AustinTX (Posted Wed Aug 27, 2008 19:32)

b250 wrote:

AustinTX wrote:

b250: please just give him a chance to admit that he has a modem/router combo.

Please read above; he already said that in the first post.

Oops, you're quite right.

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FonSpot für ein Restaurant

Wed Aug 27, 2008 17:23

by adifl (Posted Wed Aug 27, 2008 17:23)

Für die tollen Infos!

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