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What will be the result from these new prices?
Increase of income 18%  18%  [ 5 ]
Decrease of income 39%  39%  [ 11 ]
No change 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Increase of active FON spots 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
Decrease of active FON spots 32%  32%  [ 9 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:07 
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As announced by the German FON blog, as of today the FON_ access prices are as follows:
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5 day pack is 15 Euro/$
Another important change is that the 15 free minutes are limited to once per week.

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mirox3m wrote:
As announced by the German FON blog, as of today the FON_ access prices are as follows:
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5 day pack is 15 Euro/$
Another important change is that the 15 free minutes are limited to once per week.

I think FON will price itself out of the market.

I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:

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I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:
It's totally arbitrary. It's also foolish to cling to the "$/€5 per day worldwide" gimick, instead of letting Bills set their own local prices (paying Fon a small fixed fee for user authentication and processing payments), since it means that the Fon Network will simply not be deployed wherever free wifi and cheap broadband is allready found. What remains is more remote areas, where the Bill would probably be more inclined to be entrepeneur minded... but not at Fon's fixed rates. It is a recipe for turning away precisely the kinds of people who would otherwise choose Fon as a wifi sharing solution! :roll:

And, you see how unreliable Fon is when it plays with numbers? Martin said that a day pass was $/€2 and would double to $/€4, when really it was $/€3 and was -raised- to $€5. They must all be using those goofy Polish calculators... :P

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 18:01 
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AustinTX wrote:
Roetzen wrote:
I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:
It's totally arbitrary. It's also foolish to cling to the "$/€5 per day worldwide" gimick, instead of letting Bills set their own local prices (paying Fon a small fixed fee for user authentication and processing payments), since it means that the Fon Network will simply not be deployed wherever free wifi and cheap broadband is allready found. What remains is more remote areas, where the Bill would probably be more inclined to be entrepeneur minded... but not at Fon's fixed rates. It is a recipe for turning away precisely the kinds of people who would otherwise choose Fon as a wifi sharing solution! :roll:

And, you see how unreliable Fon is when it plays with numbers? Martin said that a day pass was $/€2 and would double to $/€4, when really it was $/€3 and was -raised- to $€5. They must all be using those goofy Polish calculators... :P


Ok, let's use one of those goofy calculators you refer to for multiplying 2 by 5. I'm quite positive it will be giving 10 (but please correct me if I'm wrong). In other words paying $10 and getting 5 day passes (purchasing the 5 day passes pack) in return effectively means that the passes were available (until today) from $2 each. Now let's do the math all over again using the new prices: getting 5 day passes (the pack) and paying 15$ truly makes day passes available from $3 each... feel free to double check using any other calculator at hand.


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AustinTX wrote:
Roetzen wrote:
I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:
It's totally arbitrary.

And it is also unfair. Aliens who have a paypal account in US$ pay 2/3 of those who have a Euro paypal account.

AustinTX wrote:
And, you see how unreliable Fon is when it plays with numbers? Martin said that a day pass was $/€2 and would double to $/€4, when really it was $/€3 and was -raised- to $€5. They must all be using those goofy Polish calculators... :P


Oh well, we all know numbers are not Martin's forte... :P

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
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luisfon wrote:
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Roetzen wrote:
I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:
It's totally arbitrary. It's also foolish to cling to the "$/€5 per day worldwide" gimick, instead of letting Bills set their own local prices (paying Fon a small fixed fee for user authentication and processing payments), since it means that the Fon Network will simply not be deployed wherever free wifi and cheap broadband is allready found. What remains is more remote areas, where the Bill would probably be more inclined to be entrepeneur minded... but not at Fon's fixed rates. It is a recipe for turning away precisely the kinds of people who would otherwise choose Fon as a wifi sharing solution! :roll:

And, you see how unreliable Fon is when it plays with numbers? Martin said that a day pass was $/€2 and would double to $/€4, when really it was $/€3 and was -raised- to $€5. They must all be using those goofy Polish calculators... :P


Ok, let's use one of those goofy calculators you refer to for multiplying 2 by 5. I'm quite positive it will be giving 10 (but please correct me if I'm wrong). In other words paying $10 and getting 5 day passes (purchasing the 5 day passes pack) in return effectively means that the passes were available (until today) from $2 each. Now let's do the math all over again using the new prices: getting 5 day passes (the pack) and paying 15$ truly makes day passes available from $3 each... feel free to double check using any other calculator at hand.
THIS. is a Classic Example. Of how Fon is incapable of making a statement without attaching bizzaro-world alternate definitions to things, leaving out a host of unmentioned conditions, AND being arrogant about it when the public complains!

Raising the fee for Internet service to the Aliens (provided for free by the Foneros) was the WRONG THING TO DO. Fon is not suffering from a loss of potential revenue due to prices being too low. Fon is suffering from a lack of credibility and trust with the Press, the public and the Fonero members.

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
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Roetzen wrote:
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Roetzen wrote:
I also wonder why FON still maintains that €1=$1. It has been near 1.5 for a long time now. :shock:
It's totally arbitrary.

And it is also unfair. Aliens who have a paypal account in US$ pay 2/3 of those who have a Euro paypal account.


ssh
dollar is raising again..1.3 dollar vs 1 euro
it used to be 1.6 dollar for 1 euro
But I don't think i've had many american tourists on my hotspots :-)

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:23 
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From a marketing point of view to rise the prices for a product, which:
  • is getting cheaper and cheaper in the market when offered by competitiors (a lot of cafe's even offer free wifi internet access) = strong market channel competition
  • has a technology substitue (UMTS, EDGE, HDSPA,...) that gets cheap as well (1 year 1 GB prepayed UMTS for € 15, hardware for once € 60) = strong market substitution competition
  • has severe structiural problems (only 1/3 of all hotspots are online toward FON and only 1/9 of all hotspots are usuable/coonnectable for customers) = severe own product service quality problems
  • looks into a overall future of worldwide coming economic/financial rezession which may bring inflation = price trend goes downwards

... is not very intelligent ...

So if you nevertheless assume that the FON managers know their onions (hope dies last :roll: ) this means that FON do not care anymore in first priorty about this channel's earnings. This means that FON changed it's business modell they communicated toward us and is earning it's main money over other business opportunities.
Now it's easy to understand why:
  • FON stopped the community offers toward Foneros for free or very cheap hotspots.
  • FON does not invest in community communication tools (e-mail messaging between Bills/Linusses)
  • Below the line FON don't care about the communities opinion...
  • FON is more and more centering the main forces for acquiring other ISPs like BT, Neuf, ...
  • FON sells free access on FON hotspots to companies which want their homepage be free accessable on FON hotspots for free toward unregistered guests (test it yourself with connecting to your own FON_ signal without login and try to connect to e.g.: http://www.lokalisten.de).

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
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Kyros you can also add:

* this was all decided on the ceo blog
* this was counteracted by Fon managment as being still under discussion and prices mentioned were not yet decided
* the pricechange was suddenly activated during the night without any communication at all...from yesterday to today... no communication towards foneros using eg the Newsblatter... luckily there is a wiki that updates the screenshots :-)
* The German blogger has mentioned it... i've then also added this news on the Dutch blog... no mentioning of it on the French, English, Spanish, Italian, Japan, Hongkong blogs YET... (Other blogs are not in use anymore DK |SE | FI | ...)
* Improvement of communication towards FONbloggers was promised in Februari 2008...

"communication" is still an issue at FON.
Person A still does not know what B is doing at FON...so it's normal that the foneros themselves have to search for info themselves?

In the past the excuse was "fon is big(+90 people) arround the globe"... currently it seems there is no more fon france/germany/usa anymore and it's <50 people?

Upto today everything is still "spread" on the internet...

the CEO blog is mentioning "FONspot" software;
the FON website hasn't been updated since november 2007 (press/news section)
Google needs to be used to find out there is a wiki.fon.com
Google needs to be used that there is a fonosfera.org for developers
-> Website will be updated (... but will it be maintained?

There are several other "official" blogs and density websites...

http://blog.fon.com/tw/ asks a password... but research shows me it's now http://blog.yam.com/twfon but it changed to http://www.foniao.net/ in 2007 so it seems... links have not yet been updated...

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
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Yes - all-too-true.
So it's obvoiuse that Bills/Linusses are FON's minor matter.

Thus let's think to make FON minor matter for us as well?
There are plenty of other fish in the sea...

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kyros wrote:
Thus let's think to make FON minor matter for us as well?
There are plenty of other fish in the sea...

really?
tell me which web 2.0 has put their members "central"?
Even Facebook changes it's layout allthough millions are against it :-)
so sad but true I haven't found any 'better' alternative than FON...

tomizone.com, hippies.com, freehotspots.com, worldspot.net, ...

... AustinTx has a full list of them...and even he has to admit...there is nothing "better" then FON...or he would be having fun on the competition's messageboards...

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skynetbbs wrote:
kyros wrote:
Thus let's think to make FON minor matter for us as well?
There are plenty of other fish in the sea...

really?
tell me which web 2.0 has put their members "central"?........


FON is like the "Democracy". Churchill's famous dictum: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." (from a House of Commons speech on Nov. 11, 1947).

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 Post subject: Re: New FON_access prices
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I will explain the best I can why the prices has increased and why it hasn't been notified. I don't know if I will be able to convince any of you guys, but let's see all the sides:

  • As stated on the german blog, the main reason is that we want the Aliens to become sharing members, be it Linus or Bills. We firmly believe that the best way for it is not to give away free routers (we've done it in the past, and there's a vast number of routers that were never activated), but making them realize that it's cheaper for them in the long run to guy a Fonera and share than to buy passes. With the new prices, it's cheaper to buy a Fonera than to buy 3 packs of 5-day passes.
  • Still, and even with this price increase, we are one of the cheapest wifi options. As luisfon said, a day pass is 5€, a pack of 5 1-day passes (that you can use up to 365 days after purchase date) is 15€, that makes 3€/day. Yes, there's cafes and restaurants that have free wifi, but usually you have to order something, and probably you can't stay there for hours with just one coke.
  • I can't think of any company that announces their changes in pricing policies, be it for increase or decrease it, so the people can't buy in advance or wait for the decrease. That's why we didn't announce the change in advance. We didn't announced any of the previous price changes in the Foneras or Linksys prices, be it for increase or decrease. If we (or any other company) announc such changes with days or weeks in advance, people would either stock as much passes as they could (in case of a price increase) or would wait for the cheaper price to buy passes.
  • Different pricing schemes, as suggested by AustinTx, has been thought of, but we think it would be more of a trouble than a solution. Different pricing scheme would mean that Aliens can't roam with the passes they buy, and we will see a lot of issues of Aliens that buy the passes at the 1$/day Fonspot and spend it at the 3$/day Fonspot, with the consequent complains from the 3$/Fonspot bill. Plus, it will confuse the Aliens a lot with all the different pricing schemes for every different Fonspot.
  • The €/$/pound equivalency is done for simplicity for billing, accounting and marketing, probably the same reasons that Apple, Asus, Dell and almost all the computer manufacturers/retailers/etc do it. Sometimes Bills complain when Paypal changes the transaction fees and they see a decreasing on their income (they never complain when the transaction fees are lowered and they see an increase on their incomes :) ). Now try to explain them that the pass that was sold yesterda for 1€ was worth 1'50$ and today is 1'30$
  • We pay the Bills according to what country/continent they are from. Canada and US Bills get paids in $, and passes bought in their Fonspots are bought in $. Same with european ones and € (with the exception of countries who don't have the € as their coin, there we use their local coin), and with UK Bills and sterling pounds.

If I left any question without answering, pleaste tell me. Me and the rest of people at Fon is interested in what you have to say, believe it or not. I make sure that your opinions are heard.

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I will explain the best I can why the prices has increased and why it hasn't been notified. I don't know if I will be able to convince any of you guys, but let's see all the sides:

[list][*]As stated on the german blog, the main reason is that we want the Aliens to become sharing members, be it Linus or Bills. We firmly believe that the best way for it is not to give away free routers (we've done it in the past, and there's a vast number of routers that were never activated), but making them realize that it's cheaper for them in the long run to guy a Fonera and share than to buy passes. With the new prices, it's cheaper to buy a Fonera than to buy 3 packs of 5-day passes.


Hi,

thnx for the reasons...

BUT you are talking about not informing the aliens...that's fine... but all these "bills" out there are some kind of FON Franchise keepers... if they tell their customers you can surf here for 3 euro...and that customer is suddenly getting angry to you because on his screen he notices 5 euro... ?

If the hotspot owner has "priced" 3 euro for internet access on his door... they have not been informed by Fon HQ that price changes have been in effect since ...last 24h and he should update them as well

BTW on the movies about the recent Facebook gathering I noticed some boxes filled with foneras... can't see any facebook people going home with a fonera ... but ... where did they go? :-)

And I know we are considered "sceptics" by some of FON because we "dare" to ask questions about some company decisions... but then again... if even Martin is asking himself why "free routers" are not turned on and why Germany isn't in the top 3 FON countries...although it has NO ISP deals...and NO RETAIL deals (like in Japan a fonera is sold at every corner of the street practically ? :-)

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David_FON wrote:
I will explain the best I can why the prices has increased and why it hasn't been notified. I don't know if I will be able to convince any of you guys, but let's see all the sides:

[list][*]As stated on the german blog, the main reason is that we want the Aliens to become sharing members, be it Linus or Bills. We firmly believe that the best way for it is not to give away free routers (we've done it in the past, and there's a vast number of routers that were never activated), but making them realize that it's cheaper for them in the long run to guy a Fonera and share than to buy passes. With the new prices, it's cheaper to buy a Fonera than to buy 3 packs of 5-day passes.


David I fully agree that the free routers are not a solution.

I do not agree that the price increase is correct because:

1. The new prices are very high, which will lead to decrease of income for Bills and respectively for FON. I think that higher price would not compensate the decrease of sold passes.
2. 1. would lead to turning off of FONspots that are with good locations (public places, centre of cities, etc.). I suppose the reason why the Bills were "invented" was to stimulate foneros install routers in key places and stimulate them to apply methods for increasing their coverage. Such spots are more heavily used by Foneros (not only Aliens but also other Bills and Linuses) and therefore should be "rewarded" for this.

According to me the best would be to apply fixed service rate for FON + addition that is up to the Fonero + (optional) addition that is paid to some charity organisations (selectable from dropdown list e.g. UNICEF, Mozilla, why not FON). This will stimulate a kind of competition, would be a good PR for FON and stimulate the use of "peripheral" FONspots.
Enabling the Bill to decide on the price of HIS own hotspot will make FON the ultimate franchising hotspot solution.

I had a lot of clients who bought Foneras in order to try this "easiest" solution for hotspots, but never came back. One of them has established an SMS payment system in a Black sea resort. He could have been won on the side of FON but due to the price of 3/10 Euro he considered FON not applicable.
Fon should consider this target group of Bills that would greatly improve FON coverage in key areas.

I am aware that this post will not change your decision but this is my view on the subject. I hope it was not just a waste of time!

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@ mirox3m: I think Bills/Linusses are FON's minor matter so your proposal's destiny is clear... :cry:

With "make FON minor matter for us as well" I didn't mean to cancel FON but im my case to put away my energy from trying to enhance FON services in our community to more satisfying things. I'm quite disappointed!

I'm not writing against the activies of david, luis, steve, axel and inouk, but unfortulately their more powerful FON superiors (which never communicate to the commuity) seem to be the bin for all the topics sent to them.
And look at the real incidents: The men behind the curtain are the ones who decide and act depreciatory ignoring us Foneros.

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skynetbbs, miro3m, kyros, thanks for the comments.
You might have a point there, and I personally agree we should have told to Bills and Linus in advance and provide them with promo materials (but that's another battle I'm in..)
The Foneras on the Facebook event were Fonera 2.0 models and were given to some of the developers who came to the event. Not everyone who attended had one, and not everyone who wanted one got it, as there was not many of them and they were only given to the most interesting projects.
We believe that higher prices will mean less tickets but more profitable for the bills and more Aliens turned into Linus/Bills. Of course, time will tell, we might be wrong (and we do we're not afraid to recognize it), but we think we're on the right track.
About giving money to charity/NGOs/etc, it hs been thought off, but we prefer that is the Linus/Bill who choose to what foundation goes his/her share. It would be complicated to choose just a few of all the good causes out there, and just plain impossible to list them all :-)

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This is very sad, I promised to myself not come back here but I failed :( , this raise in price is the most stupid
FON idea ever, from Martin blog it was 4 and now it's really 5 OMG, even a kid knows that raising prices above the
competition is a bad idea.

Decrease of income and FON_Hotspots and Foneros

I made a test to see if my three neighboors would pay to access the web, turned off their free accounts since the last thursday until yesterday, I also put a message in the login page saying that now they have to pay for access, the result was the one expected, none of them payed, they just stop using my hotspot, not even the 15 minutes free access, now the price is even bigger :shock:

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PJMDS wrote:
even a kid knows that raising prices above the competition is a bad idea.

i'm not a succesfull bill I just enjoy the free wifi :-)

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Fon's 5 stages so far: (this is an opinion post)

1) Distribute free Fon hotspot-for-VOIP software, and build a community of volunteers who will run it on dedicated PCs, so that the public can save money on voice calls wherever such a (ad-hoc) Fon hotspot can be found. Fon to openly challenge monopolistic telco companies by selling cheaper services. Fon to profit by reselling Internet bandwidth donated by the volunteers.

2) Stage 1 plan fails to attract enough press or jump certain legal obstacles. Fon disavows it's original plans, and remarkets the company as a community of volunteers who run Fon hotspots for PCs, with emphasis on the fairly obligatory "free roaming" feature offered to members. Changes the pronunciation of the company from "phone" to "fawn" and claim that they are named after the North African Fon Ethnic tribe. :shock: Ad-hoc-wifi PC software is dropped, and Fon is retooled as router firmware for popular wifi routers. Distribute free router firmware, and sell a supply of Linksys routers pre-flashed to get things moving. Official Launch of Fon as a Revolution, a Network, and a Community. The populist, community friendly facade permits Fon to attract fans and gloss over shortcomings in their membership terms and business plan. Most adoption takes place among techie hobbyists. The Press applauds.

3) Stage 2 plan fails to establish sustainable market for wifi sales, and Linksys routers ran out of stock. Product partnerships failed due to Fon's exaggerated promises, creative alternate definitions and numerous unmentioned conditions. Member churn is high, because the Fon program does not keep their interest* long enough, and the routers are very easy to improve with better firmware (designed by an disgruntled ex-Fon developer). Fon invests literally no resources on the "revolution" or "community" aspects of their network, unless it makes a good soundbyte for the press. After an extended period of inactivity, during which the Fonero Community nearly completely dies away, Fon begins replacing the old open-source routers with a proprietary one. In key areas, a supply of those routers is given away or sold at cost, to encourage rapid growth of the Network. Most adoption takes place among newbies, people who need a cheap wifi solution but did not read the fine print, and others who are far less likely to be dedicated to to something because they weren't asked to really invest in it. The Press applauds loudly. Fon now to profit from router sales, and by inflating the value of the company for eventual resale.

4) Stage 3 plan fails to generate neither sufficient nor permanent network growth. Proprietary routers prove to be hackable, but most owners simply discard them when they lose interest* now. Fonero Community, which Fon has failed to establish a relationship with, and has little influence over, is reaching out to The Press independantly. Foneros have studied and analyzed Fon's TOS now, and are no longer praising Fon. Fon focuses on profitable router sales, and actively conceals statistics which reveal real growth, churn, and actual service availability. Fon diverts resources to non-wifi related gimmicks and side projects, neglecting the usage complaints and bug reports from the members. Fon to perhaps profit from side projects, when they become independant companies, by bleeding Fon for research & development resources, thus saving them expenses.

5) Fon secures "partnerships" with other wifi networks by granting "free roaming" for their members, to the whole network of Fon hotspots. These roaming agreements are typically one-way, free only for the partners, and the rest are subject to many conditions for the Fon members. "Partner" hotspots are quickly added to Fon's census to suggest rapid and healthy growth. Everything is marketed as "good for Fon", as it is suggested that members of the public are more likely to purchase a Fon router of their own if they are aware of the Fon concept. Emphasis is placed on "network growth", but this is measured primarily by router purchases now. Fon claims to operate openly, but has never revealed statistics on day pass transactions, repeat sales, or membership churn. Fon continues to profit up-front from router sales, and continue to craft clever statistics to make the company seem more healthy. Fon still reports no churn, and the available figures strongly suggest that they are deliberately ignoring it. Fon CEO and Fon PR contradict each other's growth statistics, but both suggest that Fon will cease operating at a loss by the end of 2009. Fon to profit if there is a buyer after that point?

Fon claims to have gained it's one millionth "member", using a brand new definition of such, and stretching that to a rather wide interpretation. Only a small handful of blogs reported this event. The Press at large ignored it.

*Foneros lose interest for various reasons, including: attracting too few customers, being unable to find hotspots to roam onto, unanswered questions about Fon's legality, doubts about Fon's security, objections to Fon's membership and profitsharing conditions, incompatability with Fon's router hardware/firmware, other hardware failures, discovering that they were unable to expand an existing LAN on a budget as hoped, or other reasons which Fon did not live up to their expectations.

I have left out a few twists and turns, because they either didn't last very long, or didn't result in signifigant change in Fon's growth, method of operation, or culture. It would be an interesting excercise to draw up an academic timeline of Fon events and announcements, with references, and emphasis on points of contradiction. As for La Fonera 2 and Fonosferatu; we shall see. At the moment, I fear that they are just time-killers to make the company look lively until it recovers or gets sold. Fon has time on it's hands now, and has those expensive La Fonera+'s to unload. The Linksys are gone, the La Fonera 1.x are probably running low, and there are only 1000 La Fonera 2's. Fon is still relatively idle. Even their directors and developers are starting to wander into the message board now, looking for amusement.

So in a nutshell, Fon has clearly been sailing for a long time without anyone with a firm grip at the helm. The exaggerations and eroding credibility began quite early on. Fon has lost passengers and officers at every port, and Fon's final destination changed frequently, with little regard for the remaining passengers. Fon hopes to pay for the cruise by selling the passenger's belongings, and eventually the ship. :(

Interstingly, Fon CEO Martin Varsavsky has begun to carefully admit that Fon isn't doing so well these days. He's blaming it on the pending economic collapse, of course. However, we know that Fon has been showing signs of floundering and rebooting for a long time now. Fon's layoffs were months ago. If the economy was strong, Fon would be doing just as bad, but still pretending things were rosy.

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