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Ross wrote:
Fonera 1.5 (similar to current but with a LAN port) is launching April/May.


Fonera2 launching in september/07


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joulhanter wrote:
Ross wrote:
Fonera 1.5 (similar to current but with a LAN port) is launching April/May.


Fonera2 launching in september/07


the usb port would be nice if it could connect to usb adsl modems or laptops (and being powered by them)

but a 1.5 with lan is allready very interesting ; hence most people don't have to buy a switch anymore then to add a fonera in between their existing 1 pc network... (let's hope it does not interfere with ipsec vpn or voip or dns at the lan side!)


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skynetbbs wrote:
joulhanter wrote:
Ross wrote:
Fonera 1.5 (similar to current but with a LAN port) is launching April/May.


Fonera2 launching in september/07


the usb port would be nice if it could connect to usb adsl modems or laptops (and being powered by them)

but a 1.5 with lan is allready very interesting ; hence most people don't have to buy a switch anymore then to add a fonera in between their existing 1 pc network... (let's hope it does not interfere with ipsec vpn or voip or dns at the lan side!)

or goes "beserk" when a P2P program is having >5000 connections open on the lan port :-)
most "small" devices have issues with that


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Charbax wrote:
...I've been asking all the Wi-Max chip manufacturers if they could put the Mobile Wi-Max chip inside of a Fon router to broadcast not only a Wi-Fi Fonspot but also a Mobile Wi-Max Fonspot, this way cutting out the Wi-Max ISP having monopoly on Mobile Wi-Max deployment, and rather having a free wireless broadand for all.
It is my understanding that consumer Wi-Max equipment will be client endpoints, much like a cellphone is to the cellular network, or a cable modem is to the cable network. In other words, two people might have Wi-Max devices, but they will not be able to communicate directly. They will depend on an intermediary station, controlled by an ISP which charges a fee for access. I anticipate that the client devices will probably be locked to a particular provider as well. It will be necessary to aquire and license expensive host equipment in order to *provide* Wi-Max service, or to relay/mesh Wi-Max stations.

The Wi-Max link would be the WAN/Internet connection for the Wi-Max Fon AP. The public hotspot would be conventional 802.11b/g.

Martin Varsavsky has actually blogged last year, that Fon is in fact designing a Wi-Max/Wi-Fi AP, but he has not commented on it since. :idea:

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I can tell you wimax is still on our radar. Some of my co-workers are attending a conference about it later this year too. I don't have any specifics as to how it will be rolled out.


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AustinTX wrote:
Charbax wrote:
...I've been asking all the Wi-Max chip manufacturers if they could put the Mobile Wi-Max chip inside of a Fon router to broadcast not only a Wi-Fi Fonspot but also a Mobile Wi-Max Fonspot, this way cutting out the Wi-Max ISP having monopoly on Mobile Wi-Max deployment, and rather having a free wireless broadand for all.
It is my understanding that consumer Wi-Max equipment will be client endpoints, much like a cellphone is to the cellular network, or a cable modem is to the cable network. In other words, two people might have Wi-Max devices, but they will not be able to communicate directly. They will depend on an intermediary station, controlled by an ISP which charges a fee for access. It will be necessary to aquire and license expensive host equipment in order to *provide* Wi-Max service, or to relay/mesh Wi-Max stations.

The Wi-Max link would be the WAN/Internet connection for the Fon AP. The public hotspot would be conventional 802.11b/g.

Martin Varsavsky has actually blogged last year, that Fon is in fact designing a Wi-Max/Wi-Fi AP, but he has not commented on it since. :idea:


Well that's the thing I am trying to figure out. If for sure Wi-Max is impossible to be "provided" by such small base stations of the size of a Wi-Fi router thus to be "provided" using a future Wi-Max providing Fonero, or if this strategy would be technologically or/and legally impossible.

What I am wondering is if it is only regulation that would be preventing a community like Fon to provide Mobile Wi-Max in a region using the Fon approach of distributing cheap Wi-Max providing base-stations to all users.

All base-stations thus I am wondering if at all they can function in a box the size and price of a Fonera, thus it might provide lower ranger than a huge and expensive infrastructure base stations that large ISPs are deploying to control the Wi-Max network (and thus charge people for wireless broadband as a limited and controlled service) with the 6 sectors per base station of up to 18mbit/s per sector.

So the question is does Wi-Max technology make small consumer-installed-at-home base stations possible, even if those have lower range. Also I wonder about the bandwidth and interference management, if it would be possible to manage that 20 Foneras might be broadcasting Fon Mobile Wi-Max from the same building, some with different amount of available bandwidth, so users connecting in the range of those 20 Wi-Max base-stations should automatically get the best amount of available bandwidth, maybe even using several base stations as the same time to boost the Internet connectivity signal in certain multi-threaded download situations. And also the interference has to be managed among all those base-stations that would thus be installed in peoples homes and thus them not being evenly distributed, thus interference and choice of radio frequency used should somehow maybe be remotely coordinated by the Fon system.

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I can tell you wimax is still on our radar. Some of my co-workers are attending a conference about it later this year too. I don't have any specifics as to how it will be rolled out.


Sure enough fixed Wi-Max could provide interesting way of broadening the Fon network by just plugging more cheap Fon Wi-Max to Wi-Fi routers just on the electrical outlets at many more locations, but I'd say it would be greatest to "provide" Mobile Wi-Max from Fon routers using the many ADSL, Ethernet, Fiberoptic, Cable and other broadband wired internet connections which people get into their homes already. I'd much prefer to be able to have good, free and unlimited bandwidth for a pocket wireless broadband product like a VOIP, Email, IM, Video and Music, and for it have free city-wide access to wireless broadband on Mobile Wi-Max and Wi-Fi, and I would find it a secondary necessity to use a fixed Wi-Max to Wi-Fi Fonera.

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Charbax wrote:
All base-stations thus I am wondering if at all they can function in a box the size and price of a Fonera, thus it might provide lower ranger than a huge and expensive infrastructure base stations that large ISPs are deploying to control the Wi-Max network (and thus charge people for wireless broadband as a limited and controlled service) with the 6 sectors per base station of up to 18mbit/s per sector.
I went WOOT! when I read this. I proposed something similar, using just Wi-Fi, just under a year ago: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?p=2965#2965 (continue reading the thread since I also posted a diagram). :wink:

Hopefully, with Wi-Max, there are no Wi-Fi-like, overlapping "channels" as such. You could then set up as many non-interfering "sectors" as you wished... Hopefully, the only thing the Goverfink would be concerned about is the effective output power of each individual transmitter. In the USA, if I recall, "unlicensed" broadcasts must be under 1 milliwatt. Also, you would be limited to only the "unlicensed" frequencies, so you would have lower maximum potential, and have to accept all interference.

If the base was Wi-Max, you could easily "mesh" with every neighbor for dozens of miles! But this assumes that a "low power" Wi-Max base station is allowed without giving them the usual pricey sum for licensing. :?

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must be under 1 milliwatt.



:shock: what ? :lol: :twisted:

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Hey,
any update when fonera 1.5 is coming out? How bout fonera 2? Whats gonna happen with the fonero gets fonero program which are they gonna get? How about people with foneros now, will they be able to get the update?


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Take a look at the video just posted on the blog. It has some details on products being developed.

http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/technolo ... -next.html


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Ross wrote:
Take a look at the video just posted on the blog. It has some details on products being developed.

http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/technolo ... -next.html

a transcript would be better?


Would it be possible to support google's picasaweb (online images) instead of only Yahoo's Flickr?

I know flickr is more popular...but


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skynetbbs wrote:
a transcript would be better?


During a cab ride in Taipei, Martin Varsavsky delivered a short video message on what's coming up next at Fon:

* current Foneros will be updated to have 2 ethernet ports (to improve use with single port routers provided by many ISPs). They will also feature 2 antennas, one for the personal network and one for the Fon net. The updated version is expected to launch in June
* Fontennas coming out in May. These will be flat panel antennas to be mounted inside of window frames to boost range to 200 yards
* new La Fonera 2.0 will be launched in October. It will feature a USB port to connect a hard drive or memory stick and allow to integrate into Web 2.0 apps via it's own API
* for the beginning of next year, Foneras supporting 802.11n standard are planned. These will have a range of up to one kilometer and transmit data at a faster rate (probably around 200 Mbit/s)

That's a lot of news for a short cab ride.


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"Current foneros will be updated"

That, I like :-)

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jonathanyaniv wrote:
"Current foneros will be updated"

That, I like :-)


"updated"...not "replaced" :-)
and i think breaking it and sending it back to spain would cost you more than getting a new one with the FgF deal?


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To clear this up. The new router, an updated La Fonera, will have a LAN port. We have no plans to replace current La Foneras in service.


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Ross wrote:
To clear this up. The new router, an updated La Fonera, will have a LAN port. We have no plans to replace current La Foneras in service.
Clear this up, then. Earlier, you claimed that the Linksys routers were being eliminated Image by Fon, in order to save the costs associated with supporting multiple types of hardware. This coming from Fon, which should not propose to be in the hardware business, anyway.

And now Fon will support THREE different devices anyway? Hypocrisy. :x

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AustinTX wrote:
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And now Fon will support THREE different devices anyway? Hypocrisy. :x


even microsoft couldn't keep it's xbox2 safe from modders...


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We will eventually stop supporting the Linksys and Buffalo so we can focus on the Fonera family of routers, soon to be 3. This will eliminate 2 very different devices. Not hypocrisy, good business decision.
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Ross wrote:
We will eventually stop supporting the Linksys and Buffalo so we can focus on the Fonera family of routers, soon to be 3. This will eliminate 2 very different devices. Not hypocrisy, good business decision.
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Then explicate "drakfon" that has been released a few days ago?
it is created to flash a non-fon Linksys or Buffalo router with FON firmware.
When you downfase the linksys... Why bother with this evolution?

Also I consider the Linksys like a Fon but with 4 ethernet ports...
It shouldn't be difficult to make the linksys have thesame gui as a fonera?
and thus have no problems supporting it?

I imagine the problem is more of a legal aspect?
Normally one is not allowed to flash his linksys with non-linksys firmware.
If people do that their warranty is void... they will offcoze call/sue FON of giving software that might damage their goods... very popular in the USA...


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I would assume that all three FON routers will be Atheros based, which simplifies things a bit. Linksys routers have broadcom chips in them, requiring an extra source tree to be maintained.

That said, I suspect it's because the Foneras are moderately harder to modify, and come from the factory pre-programmed to work with the FON service.


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