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Dear all,

to better visualize our protest in a funny way some fellow Foneros created an idea in the German Fonboard (http://www.fonboard.de)

All the people who protest against this WifiAds situation with the current risky Aliens registration move their La Fonera virtually into a lake (storage lake) near Madrid:
http://maps.fon.com/?lt=40.5423736000&l ... 8000&zm=14

This is the next big water next to the
FON Headquater:

FON Headquater:
Avd. Bruselas 7,
28100 Alcobendas,
Madrid – Spain
http://maps.fon.com/?lt=40.5308685303&l ... 8213&zm=15

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Regards, Kyros



Edit: Picture updated

Good Idea!
Just put my Spot into the lake ....

I'm reluctant to reply to this but against my better judgement I will.

If a lot of Foneros move there routers here it will show that many people are truly concerned about the WifiAds and reinforce the need for change.

If only a few Foneros move there routers here there is not much incentive for Fon to change.

I'm not discounting peoples concerns, just looking at this from an analytical viewpoint.

Other thoughts?

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Actually, I think this is an effective way for users to communicate their concerns. I'm not encouraging or condoning it, but I'm saying it's effective.

From what I see there are a number of Foneros very upset about the WifiAds. There are also many who don't have a problem with it. This gives everyone an easy way to see how many people are concerned.

Hello Ross!

> Other thoughts?
eeeeehh.....yes!

Although I already moved my spot into the lake I do NOT believe lots of spots will follow.
But seeing few spots in the lake is NOT an evidence for
- most foneros think an ID-authentification is unnecessary.

I think it's more the evidence that
- only a very small minority of the foneros watch the board regularly or watch it at all
- most foneros haven't even heard from the non-authentification-discussion

I do not believe, that this campaign or all the discussions on the board will change FON's attitude towards the problem.

But all the things together should just make FON think about:
- if so many of the "active foneros" do see such a big problem in the case, then it might be a real problem for them, not just blablabla. I live in Germany and maybe here internet-life and jurisdiction are quite different from other countries.....
- If maybe only a quantity minority (but maybe the active part is always the minority?) does see a problem in it - why can't FON help these guys?
Some good and possible ways have already been mentioned. Best of all the one, that every fonero can decide whether to allow or forbid non-verified access to his fonspot.

If FON is right and only a minority does care for the security problem only a few spots would not offer the possibility of non-verified access.

Fon would have the wide spread test field for their promo campaign and the people beeing concerned about security would have their security.

Why not go this way instead of annoying maybe only some, but quite active foneros?

Dispite me being agains this "i hate fon" movement i will say this with complete imparciality:

If you move your fonera to that lake that means that anyone will still be allowed to access your fon spot because IT IS STILL TURNED ON!!!

I understand that some people may want to protest, but the best way to do that is still to just turn off your la fonera, not moving it on the fon maps...
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I agree with most of what you said but I will disagree with the quoted statement above. The concerns Foneros have raised have already changed the attitude at Fon. There are now a number of people looking for the best possible solution. We want to make it as easy as possible for people who stumble upon a Fonspot to try it, while still providing good security. We are looking for the best way to do that, and community input is very helpful.

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Sorry, but I don't think the people who protest against WifiAds situation "hate" FON.
If they would hate FON, they could only turn their Foneras off and say good bye!

Yes, it's right if you just move your router on the map, it is still accessible.
But you can turn off your Fonera and then move it to that lake anyway.
Some Foneras in the lake are offline, some are online.

Just now, I moved my Fonera to the lake!

Hello Ross!



I (and I think most of the others here) can fully agree on that statement from you!

My spot is still turned on and FON will get the time and the chance to change the momentary "non-security" situation into your mentioned "good security" situation.
I'm looking forward to good results and lots of Spots coming back from "offline" mode.
I guess about 50% of the personalised fonspots in a range of 10 km around me are offline for some days now already.....

Most of mine are dumped in the lake now, Ill put the rest up once I've given my fingers a break...ahhh that point n clicking!


FON, THIS is what you call "Community" spirit!

Hello ,

same here.

My fonspot is still up and running, anyways i moved it to the lake to
place a sign, without punishing other Foneros who need my Fonspots.

I don't hate Fon, i like the idea behind Fon, but and this is my point
of view, FON has to take the concerns of their community very serious.

I am sure few of the people who run a fonspot are interested in the law-questions and so continue running them keeping in mind, that it should be secure and okay.

But that is not the case. In germany for example we have a very high security risk because of this changes and everyone of us who still run his/her spot is responsible for any action done ofer the hotspot without the chance to give evidences if for example an Ad-Alien access childporn over our fonspots.

Of course the rules forbid the use for such actions, but the people who access such an illegal stuff can't be catched -> so in this case the legal authorities will take the Fonero itself in action and that should't be your and isn't of course in our interest.

So please change this security hole fast (very fast) within i would say the next few days, because it is a question of time before one us (Foneros) will have big trouble because of this changes.

Me myself isn't sure how long i am willingly to take this risk up on my head.

Sad Greets
Thorsten

I count 31 hotspots in the lake so far, not bad for something started only 2.5 hours ago.

Now Ill compile a mailing list for all those I introduced to FON and dont use these forums and inform them of whats going on.

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Don't really know how many foneras are in the lake now but i count only 8 with personalized pages, i guess people don't really care much about their start page

Can you balme them, you can hardly see it anyway.

My La Fonera has been unplugged for a week. Soon I am going to pack it back into the box if FON does not change their mind.

No big loss for me.

If your serious disconnect.

First I was very mad when I read the first post in this thread. I actually thought you meant to dump the Foneras into the water causing environmental pollution

But the idea to just move the place marks in the Map systems I think is very creative and is a good way to let FON know how big this protest actually is.

But rest assured FON will do something about this I am sure!

Me beeing a moderator at the Swedish FON board I think I will bring it up and see what Swedes think about this!

This morning my pc counts 40 lake-dropped Access Points, 3 swimming foneros and another 4 foneros watching the lake from the eastern beach.
I guess the red fonero points should be votes too?

That means 47 votes against the security lack.

If the 3 swimming foneros and the 4 watching foneros would be so kind and drop their fonspot into the lake (change position of fonspot in FON-options, NOT position of fonero) it would be much easier to count.

Let`s see how the number of swimming/drowning fonspots will develop over the weekend and with swedish help...

Fine Saturday